Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. Hence the short butt long tip "BSAS" conformation of some of the better iterations. by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. 0.232 Over the time I have made rods. by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. (Tom Peters), Dickerson used step down ferrules, use a CSE Step down to recreate that Dickerson classic action. (Robin Haywood), I consider a 7 1/2-ft. 5wt. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. I would say it's a strong 7 wt, but it should work well with a 8 WF. Rods also tend to have varying sweet spots in terms of when the amount of line out feel just right. 0.120 Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". (Reed Guice). Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. Reversed half wells cork grip. At The Airport. Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. (Jimmy Chang), I have made rods using both tapers. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. 80 0.296 121171 10 0.097 Short cased and portable. (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. 35 .207 .086 I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. There should be 20 measurements not 19. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. Your statement that "if you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. Different tools for doing different things. (Lew) Parks. Good question and I will tell you as soon as I finish my 5wt SLT. Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. 0.174 The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. I would go with Thramer. F E Thomas. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. Jim Payne. Strong tip; butt has flex area from 45" to 80" then a butt swell at 80". ChristmasMissives - ChatRoom - PhotoGalleries - LineConversions - TheJourney - ExtremeRodmaking - Rodmaker'sPictures - Donate - Store. Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. (Robin Haywood). (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? 0.102 It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. A true 13-14 step down. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. They tend to be slightly faster action than the classic designs on which they were based. . Also, your shorthand doesn't describe where these changes take place, which is as equally as important as the changes themselves. Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. (Will Price). It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. I think you have fallen into the same trap that so many people do and forgot to realize that Stress Curves are only good for the conditions under which they are derived; change the conditions and you have changed the Curve. Ten measurements on the butt and ten stations on the tip. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post 5 .096 .244 80 0.3 So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. I like 8013's. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post It's the important half, too, the other one is less important than line weight, I refer you to the basic laws of aerodynamics, this post is already too long! This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. The trouble is, that's all it does! .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. 5 wt 0.0720 They will not be using straight tapers, I'm afraid. (Robin Haywood), Is 8'4" a bit long for a 4 wt.? It is obviously also extremely useful to compare one rod with others at the same time. 40 0.184 The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. All of the tapers that I am finding appear to be using a Super Z. I am not wanting to start the Super Z vs. a 3 1/2 wt - were that possible. There are many ways to skin this cat. Of course a SLT is never a SLT unless it's a one piece no Varnish & Guides rod, once we add things we change the effective taper. Welcome to the Taper Archives; The data on this page reflects the work of generations of dedicated rodmakers. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. But all you have done is show the straight line taper for between two dimensions. 40 0.180 146694 A rod from John is the next best thing to the real thing. The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . 45 0.1985 ), Then as it was, then again it will be. Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. 15 .128 .274 Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? (Chris Obuchowski). Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. (Chris Obuchowski). Any rod with a straight taper under load will feel to a greater or lesser extent, unnecessarily heavy in the tip and too soft in the butt. Only trouble with the rod is that there aren't many places in Md. (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. 0.369 Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. (Steve Weiss), That's the rub isn't it? 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. Thursday - Saturday, 10am to 4pm. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. 0.144 Jim Schaaf. 0.102 0.256 (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. John's the guy. (Dennis Higham). .288@30 The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . It might depend, but only a bit, on what you call "very nice" and I see that your figure for station rise was almost exactly the figure I suggested. .248@15 Latterly, they considered that a fiberglass butt section would solve all their troubles. 0.288 The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. I get tired of hearing that kind of comment. . 0.206 This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. He can correct this if he is still hanging around. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. And why not? I have made several and all have been well received. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? If you move it up to the mid section you might add a hinge that gets involved in the normal cast.. which is usually to be avoided. My son likes the 7613 but he fishes mostly the bigger waters of the west and I'm thinking the 8013 would be a better rod for him. They were both practicing engineers! This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. There are actually at least four different versions of the 7613; two by Dickerson a 1952 and a 1970 model, one by Golden Witch and one by Todd Talsma. Very Good condition. 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