This Fascinating Abandoned Train Station In Arizona Is A True Piece Of History. I also think that building Utica would take some ridership away form Nostrand (those whom transfer via bus) so we should focus on Utica and then see what Nostrand looks like. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. 5. The station's I-beam columns are painted maroon, alternating ones having the standard black station name plate with white lettering. Taking this one step further this also supposes that, as the Worth St Line was to serve a similar catchment area as the BMT Centre Street Line (J train) that the new subways through the Lower East Side would replace the Centre St Line, thus leaving it up for abandonment (if this seems too preposterous keep in mind that half of this line is already, for all intents and purposes, abandoned). Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? To keep interlining you need to go with the complicated and expensive Rogers rebuild and I dont think that the service pattern justifies the cost. IRT 4 or 5 express will have higher headways than Fulton anyway you slice it so the smaller cars are offset with more of them. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. Oh yeah. Great idea. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? A new station would therefore have to be built below the existing 3/4 Utica Ave station before continuing south. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. More complicated than it needs to be. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). See the problem? From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. There is an active tower at the south end of the platform while a closed one exists on the east of the lower level. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. So are you proposing adding a branch that runs north of Eastern Parkway to Fulton St? Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. The MTA would then lease the land as a way to bring in continued revenue and the new development would help pay for the construction. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. Many will overload the (N) train as a result. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) It stands to reason, then, that the massive South 4th Subway with branches to Utica Ave and along Myrtle Ave was designed to replace the Broadway and Myrtle Ave Els as well. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. Granted it eventually meets up with all nine of those services, just not in the big pile-up. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? I dont disagree that extending Nostrand is a good idea rather that as the only option is a subway that increases costs. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. And stations wouldnt be possible if elevated. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. F,L,M all times except late nights, 1,2. 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Rolling back to the more germane silliness, I think Ive sniffed out a problem with the proposed local (2, 3) and express (4, 5) split the lower cost workout will lead to. The door had some panels missing, and whenever open, a look into the door revealed the unfinished upper level station. If we build to IND station size (while making easily-removable platforms extensions that allow the platforms to be disabled accessible to IRT trains) wouldnt that allow the subway to easily expand capacity once they find the money to make an IND connection or just convert the IRT to the IND gauge? Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Home; Blog; Nosotros; Contacto; Nuestros Clientes; Copia de Home V2; utica avenue abandoned station Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. Utica Av/Av D is 464 yards away, 6 min walk. The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. There were homes here and there, but the area was full of empty lots until the postwar years. 3 and 4 train service through East . Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. THE IRT IS 3/4 THE SIZE OF THE IND/BMT FOR A REASON. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. subways or open cut sections. In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. (This post was also meant for a different article.). This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. Bring line to ground at terminal. So feeding more traffic into LEX which is so crowded while it actually misses the work destinations for most of these new riders might not be the best way to go. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. Half a political lifetime ago, Bill de Blasio seemed interested in extending transit to under-served neighborhoods on his own. Have it dip underground just long enough to have its platforms below the 18 Ave station (dont want to add any elevated curves) and then rise up for Ditmas whose support structure was designed for four tracks. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. This station is compliant with the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act. Secondly is that the IND plan, like most of their plans, was wildly over designed and would require extra miles of subway from Eastern Parkway to the Lower East Side as well as a much wider 4 track trunk line instead of the IRTs proposed 2/3 track line (much like the New Lots branch the line would have been built with 2 tracks and space for a third to be added later). CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. from those two subway stations Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. And theres no room there for it. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Now we reach Utica Ave. Thank you. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Arent they doing We dont need to tear down the EL. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. Off-road (Chicago style). 1135 Eastern Parkway. Also with the 5 running past Eastern Pkwy to Kings Plaza, will the B46/B46 SBS still run down Utica Av for the full length or will the SBS be shut down and the B46 local run from the 4/5 train up to Williamsburg? So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. Also (while a 4 track yard is good for Relay past Brooklyn College.) Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. But thats not necessarily for the bad. And another commenter hit upon phasing. I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. It will be express. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. The current (M) does just fine providing a one-seat ride to Midtown, and riders on the (J) can just transfer. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. Anyone? The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. Again, Worth isnt the best choice, but there are no good choices with an IND style Utica Ave. Not bad. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. Top track level After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. It lets light through the middle A, the train is smaller, making it able for more stations. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . Finnaly, the A/C Utica Av station is directly under Utica Av. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. As you point out, the area already has subway service. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. Although not in the official report, soon after it was proposed to connect 14th St to Utica Ave. Thanks for listening Vanshnooken! Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 What companies run services between Newark Penn Station, NJ, USA and Utica Avenue Station, NY, USA? Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. Pseudo-viaducts. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. Past the fence, there was a tiled wall with a door. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. The center of the station slopes down and there is a lowered ceiling compared to the rest of the station. Well, actually its curving away but Ave H avoid the curve and take you to it at Albany Ave. And from that point its all residential and there are no freight sidings. I thought that was my craziest but. Even today Utica makes too much sense. SAS-Grand Central future awkward? So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. A 2 track line would only require half the space, 45 feet and with 100ft lots this leaves room for an ingenious workaround. Precinct: (718) 735-0611 Community Affairs: (718) 735-0634 Crime Prevention: (718) 735-0658 - Jason Marsman - E-mail: jason.marsman@nypd.org - Kelvin Vidal - E-mail: kelvin.vidal@nypd.org Domestic Violence Officer: (718) 735-0600 - E-mail Youth Coordination Officer: (718) 735-0657 . And normal service would still be able to run. Lower track becomes less of a climb. C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. Double-deck single tracks. If not too difficult, another phase could be to make the new junction after the existing Utica Avenue station so that, instead of switching between New Lots and Clarendon Road, there be a third switch to the north with an extension up to Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, utilizing the existing shell and completing it, while switching it to an IRT width. Still, the terminal must be fixed so what is required is a short tunnel south that would allow a terminal yard of 4 tracks be built. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. The first plan offers the highest operational flexibility and allows a continuation of both local and express trains to access Nostrand Ave but would cost close to $1 billion and require extensive excavation. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. 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