And a very helpful dealer in Spain finally made the last connection to find the actual apartment. She goes away, and she brings back a photograph of a 16-foot-deep hole in the ground, a modern color photograph of a 16-foot-deep hole in the ground, with them excavating this head. But you know, of course, he's not writingin my mind, I think of him as a historian rather than an art historian. JUDITH RICHARDS: So, you're new; Anthony's new. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, an earthly attribute. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It was a perfect, you know, confluence of interest at the moment. Objects, not so much. So, obviously crazy, but something I wanted to learn about. Or do I say nothing? I mean, you know, he opens the drawers of his metals, and we pull them out, and, you know, it's a great experience. You know, bags full of them. I said, you know, "Oh, come on, I'm not going to risk sending a 16th-century painting for you to do that." There are some institutions now that are speaking to me about things that they've borrowed that they really feel have become integral to their hang, and they want to keep them, and so that's a harder conversation, because, A, I may not be at the point where I want to sell the work, or, B, it may not make any sense from a tax standpoint, because I have given quite a bit, so I don't have much deductibility. You know, fake labels from Mathias Komor. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, yes. ], And, I mean, I remember spending as much time as possible in front of that painting, and obviously, you know, that. And to have somebody really sort of advocating, you know, going to bat for them the way he does, you know, with the Corpus Rubenianum especially, but, you know, with everything. CLIFFORD SCHORER: We brought back together some pictures that hadn't been together since the 1870s. I mean, you read the stock books; you just are in awe that, you know, on every page of the stock book is a painting that we now know from a collection, a public collection. And he was an art collector. And that's actually harder than one thinks for some of the types of art I'm talking about. You know, the senior ladies from Long Island would go, so. TV Shows. CLIFFORD SCHORER: that'sso, and I'm getting there. Of course, I think the Old Master market is tremendously undervalued, but my rationale for that is not your sort of usual rationale, which is that, basically, the prices are cheap for things that are 400 years old, and why are they so cheap, et cetera. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I consider to be respectable parameters. So if Anthony says, you know, "We've got this great work"if he came to me tomorrow and said, "I've got this masterpiece by Rubens that we can buy," it would break my heart, but I would understand that, you know, despite that being a lifelong goal is to have that picture, I understand that that's going to have to be offered through the gallery, and that I'm going to have to be hands-off, which is why it's best just to simply pause in the collecting. I mean, it startedso you started collecting in that area or just that one piece? JUDITH RICHARDS: So you moved on after about three and a half years. You're very involved in it, and you've developed this expertise in computer programming. CLIFFORD SCHORER: All of them. It was just books on subjects that interested me. They got the Bacon as the plum to borrow the Rembrandt. So I was going to the library at Harvard and at other places and reading the catalogues for all the Drouot sales and, you know. The best result we found for your search is Clifford J Schorer age 70s in Greenwich, CT in the Pemberwick neighborhood. So what we had to focus on was, Were they 20th-century, or 19th-century with apocryphal marks? I mean, it was never conceived. Other kinds of pitfalls that you might, CLIFFORD SCHORER: All of the above. She was getting her start around then. I'll happily have lunch tomorrow." We all moved them down south. So they had had merger discussions in the '70s to merge the institutions, and the Higgins finally ran out of runway. Rich Dahm, co-executive producer and head writer of The Colbert Report. Those days are long over. I was in East Germany, Romania, Albania, you know. JUDITH RICHARDS: She lives in Italy though? He collects in that era; he collects Antwerp painters, buys great things. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I believe so, yeah. But my desire to live in the middle of nowherethis was in Meriden, New Hampshire, which was literally the middle of nowherewith 400 other. You know, obviously, I feel that way about some of the greatest Renaissance masters, but that's just not going to happen. So you could borrow our Bacon if we can borrow your Rembrandt. This huge chandelier. [00:12:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. You have to think about tastes and the moment of your taste and whether the market is esteeming that taste at a given moment. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, it's paramount for the museum world. JUDITH RICHARDS: Okay. And there was one large mud sculpture of a horse on the floor in the lobby at Best Products. I mean, I was a minion. CLIFFORD SCHORER: they were also a very closed set. ", CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because there's just crates and crates and crates. They were the combat correspondents of their day, traveling and living with soldiers. And so, you know, I always had space. You know, your real moneymakers, frankly, are selling one or two major paintings. Well, that's because it's a posthumous portrait. ONE SIZE ONE SIZE 16.0cm10.8cm5.3cm ! . And I decided to specialize in database languages, which was quite early for those advanced database languages. But I do think it wraps human history in a way that makes it exciting, but it also can still be beautiful in those settings. ], JUDITH RICHARDS: When you first started, and you're imagining the possibilities of your collecting, did you envision arriving at that level of expertise, where that could be a pursuit, an achievable goal, to discover, CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm leery of the word "expertise," just as I'm leery of the word "artist." I'm done. Other people who you could talk to about becomingabout this passion? JUDITH RICHARDS: Which institution is she at? Winslow Homer. He had eyelashes of copper. I stopped dead in my tracks, and I stared at it, and my partner was like, "Oh!". JUDITH RICHARDS: Outside of the United States? So, you know, the oldest stuff there is all these dioramas and things, and I know that they're thinking about the future. No one, you knowother than school trips, people didn't really think of it as a great collection. [00:35:58]. Clifford lived on month day 1984, at address, North Carolina. Soon he was a major contributor to such popular magazines as Harper's Weekly. So, I think18, 19, 20, in that area, I spent 26 weeks a year outside the United States. I've got some French examples. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you want to mention any specifics? And there's no further I can go. So of theof the monochromes, the earlier pieces, I only have maybe 20 pieces left. So the thing I noticed right away was, we have a museum with this collection in a second city in New England that has only 20,000 visitors a year. And if you can't get more than 20,000 people in here, you've got a serious problem. CLIFFORD SCHORER: which I will acquire. He's the responsible party, solely responsible. JUDITH RICHARDS: I see. So it. It hadeffectively, it had been on the market for 25 or 30 years. No, I neverI mean, I alwaysI mean, the problem is I'm a jack-of-all-trades and a master of absolutely nothing. I couldn't sort of spur of the moment go say, Oh, buy this because it's very interesting. And by 13, I thought I had no business in school, which is why that sort of very constricted environment up in New Hampshire was tough for me. They may not appreciate how much I'm absorbing from them, but, you know, I'm gratuitously stealing from them. And did art play any role in that? I walked in the office and I said, "Hi. That's your real risk. Clifford's current address is 21 Claremont Prk, Boston, MA 02118-3001. I'll look it up afterwards. That's not going to happen. I mean, I would certainly still be able to collect, and probably more successfully, because I would be focused like a laser beam on sort of one thing, you know, one idea. Those things are fun. So, I have these big buildings filled with storage, and a few years ago it got out of hand, you know, when it topped over a million square feet of storage. At the core, CLIFFORD SCHORER: American and European. I was like, you know, one after another, really high-quality secondary names. So, I hadit's an unlined painting, so I said, "Well, it's a little fragile." I had a great time with that and didn't think it would go any further than that, and then the Agnew's thing occurred. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I enjoyI don't know. I didn't. In the case of the Museum of Science, I think initially they wantedinitially I was anonymous, and then I think they really wanted my name. [Laughs.]. View Details. Cliff has been . CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's been a very long-term loan. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, I go to London about seven days a month, and again, you know, the gallery operates on its own. And you wouldn't have enduring liabilities for all the things that you've sold in the past because the company would cease to exist. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And so I was very happy to be there at the moment when they needed the business side to think about things like the real estate, the liability, the employees, you know, the human resource matters, the board relationship between their board and our board when they're being absorbed into our board, that sort of thing. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I was interested in history primarily, if I had my druthers. We started talking at five o'clock at TEFAF; we finished the next morning at 9 a.m. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, it is. He was largely self-taught. I'm certain it was with Mildred, because she was very involved in all of those things. The divorce began when I was four. I mean, thatand also, you know, when you getwhen you go to the Old Master market, if you really want to focus on something, you really can't go to any tertiary auction houses. JUDITH RICHARDS: Were you doing all this traveling on your own? It wasit was a vestige of youth. And if the auction house can earncan tell a client, "Well, we're not going to charge you anything; we'll charge the buyer. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, we have to pick our battles carefully. Not, Were they scientifically designed fakes made to deceive? So they put Anthony Crichton-Stuart, who used to be Christie's head of Old Masters, in charge of Noortman Gallery. [Laughs.] CLIFFORD SCHORER: And it may get burned, and it may also have little to no attention paid to it, because it may be lost in a sea of other things, and this exciting story we have to tell about your picture will be utterly lost. Came back to public school in Massapequa, Long Island, because that was the most convenient homestead we could use, and failed every class. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have there been anythis might be my last question. It doesn't have to be, you know, Grandma's attic. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, and everything else in Amsterdam. CLIFFORD SCHORER: before that. [Laughs.] Yeah. And I won't mention the name, but it's a national company. I mean, I have a fewI have a print from a Bulgarian art show from 1890. And usually it would be a letter at that point. So I went to Gillette, and they hadthey were looking for a programmer analysta senior programmer analyst. It's astonishing. So back then, you know, we were in. Let's keep that." You know, they can figure outso, JUDITH RICHARDS: I think I came across the name Schorer. 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